[Kondor1]

Technically, the OtherOS feature was mentioned in FW 3.21. This was the ONLY firmware to mention removal of OtherOS. It is not stated in future firmwares that this will be removed. Future games that require Blu-ray discs (just about all games) will require updates via the disc/sony update. this includes non-multiplayer/online games. I have several statements from Sony Customer Service department stating that even though it is not stated in future firmwares that OtherOS will be removed, in order to play newer games, updates will have to be done. I also have emails stating that No firmware requirements are put on any box stating that any updates will have to be performed before purchase indicating such. This also makes me believe they are forcing updates via new games that require "security fixes/updates" that remove the OtherOS feature without knowledge if you skip over the single 3.21 firmware. If anyone wants copies of these emails, i have them saved and will forward if needed. Another email states that ownership is transferred during purchase so the PS3 is "your system" after ownership is transferred. (not that it is relevant in this thread). Oh and if you do NOT have PSN (or broadband in some areas) and subscribe to emails for updates, etc, you will not have recieved any information in email or snailmail mentioning anything about the firmware update.

[leeuk]

Originally Posted by General Plot From a business standpoint (especially now), Sony will most likely opt to pay out a settlement rather than reinstate OtherOS functionality. I personally can't see them giving that feature back (which would be a public admission of guilt, and make their image appear worse than it already does). Their MO is to keep things hush and pay a little legal expense rather than make right on their wrongdoing. Owners of PS3's which were previously capable of OtherOS may get a little compensation out of this judgement, but I'd bet on the fact that aside from AsbestOS (and similar), you'll never see OtherOS return to the PS3 (at least not by Sony that is). Fixed your link Pirate.

i agree with ya there but if thay pay off then i think we should get money as well cos we payed for the otheros anit we were still lossing out but ya right prob what will happen and we still get **** on

[IzeBerg]

"loose-loose"?!?!

lose-lose....possibly.

if you are writing news make it grammatically correct.

[Wolfie708]

Originally Posted by IzeBerg "loose-loose"?!?! lose-lose....possibly. if you are writing news make it grammatically correct.

Ok, I am just teasing here, but check the post above yours and we have "lossing" as well. Also grammar is to do with the structure and syntax of a sentence or written construct not actually the correct spelling HeeHee

Remember, I am teasing!

[Kondor1]

Here are some emails with Sony Customer Service. 2 that state that ownership is transfered when purchase. 1 that states that they dont care who clicks the eula. one that states they do not post firmware revisions or addition/removal of features of firmware to the public unless they go online digging for them. 1 that states that you MUST update to play new games even offline, that leads into removal of OtherOS.
Oh and an email stating from Sony that its okay to modify your PS3. It only voids the warranty.
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Customer By Web Form 02/11/2011 07:18 AM
When i purchase a PS3. Can i do what i want with the PS3 after purchase, can i mod it? For example: put stickers, paint my name on it, Make a plexiglass housing, add inside colored light leds/bars,etc et al? I realize that breaking the seal on it, or doing some of these things voids the repair/replacement warranty. I am not going to ask for repair/replacement if i do these things as it would be my choice to void the warranty. I just want to know if its ok if i modify it in such manner? Not sure which category to put this in.

Response Via Email (Elizabeth S.) 02/13/2011 10:24 AM
Hello Tobby,

I am glad to hear you are thinking of purchasing a PlayStation(R)3 computer entertainment system. It would be solely your choice to cosmetically modify your Playstation 3. If any of the original components or parts are removed, altered, modified, or have been tampered with, our Sony Service Technician will deem the unit not repairable/serviceable.

Regards,
Elizabeth S.
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Customer By Web Form 02/08/2011 06:13 AM
If i purchase a new ps3 from bestbuy. Have them bring it out and setup the system via thier optional plan. If they clicked through all the EULA. Since i dont get a chance to agree or accept it, am i bound to the EULA. I figured I would ask since they are a Sony Licensed reseller of yours. Oh ..and if someone opens the box, doesnt accept, are they subject to the restocking fees? Must you have the newest firmware to play the newest games offline?

Response Via Email (Sarah E.) 02/09/2011 08:33 AM
Hello Tobby,

Thank you for writing back regarding the ownership of the PlayStation(R)3 computer entertainment system. Once you have completed payment on the PlayStation 3 then ownership transfers to you. If you allow anyone, including 3rd party vendors to use, accept the EULA, or make purchased on your PlayStation(R)Network account, You would be responsible. You can view the Terms of Use and User Agreement in the link below.

Terms of Use and User Agreement
Article Link: http://playstation.custhelp.com/app/...tail/a_id/1109

I hope this information has been helpful. I would like to thank you for giving me the opportunity to assist you. If you have any further questions and/or concerns regarding this or any other issue you may have with any PlayStation®product please, email us again.

Regards,
Sarah E.
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Response Via Email (Jeannette P.) 02/12/2011 05:22 PM
Hello Tobby,

Thanks for writing with your purchase question. If you purchase a PlayStation®3 system from any retailer, it is in fact your system. If you have any other questions feel free to contact me.

Regards,
Jeannette P.
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Customer By Web Form 02/19/2011 12:46 PM
Where can i get information on PS3 firmware requirements for new or upcoming games. Evidentally they are not on the boxes anywhere. I do NOT have my PS3 online for update capibilities and can only return games for the same game. Any information you can give me will surely keep me from wasting my money on games i cannot use and turning me towards Nintendo or Microsoft for my next console. *since this was not answered in previous email, i will state that i only have dial-up capibilities to the internet which is not supported by the PS3.*

Response Via Email (Hugo H.) 02/20/2011 12:54 PM
Hello Tobby,

Thank you for writing us back. Unfortunately, the last answer that your received from us was completely accurate. This information is not available anywhere, if a game requires an update it will be included on the disc and update after asking you if you want to continue. Please feel free to write us back with any other questions.

Regards,
Hugo H.
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Customer By Web Form 02/11/2011 08:45 AM
When i update from firmware 2.76 to 3.55 or 3.56, it doesn't state that there is a removal of OtherOS in the EULA. A friend of mine said that would happen. Can you state where in the EULA for the 3.56 firmware that it says if i update specifically where it and other features may be removed.?

Response Via Email (Dean R.) 02/13/2011 09:28 AM
Hello Tobby,

Thank you for writing us concerning your question about the System Update 3.56 not stating anything about removing the "Other OS System" The information about this was released on System Update 3.21 which was sent out April 1, 2010. Below is complete information about the "Other OS System" removal:

On April 1, 2010, Sony Computer Entertainment is anticipated to release PS3 system software version 3.21. This version of the PS3 system software will disable the “Install Other OS” feature that was available on the PS3 systems prior to the current slimmer models, launched in September 2009. This feature enabled users to install an operating system, but due to security concerns, Sony Computer Entertainment will remove the functionality through the 3.21 system software update.

For those PS3 users who are currently using the “Other OS” feature but choose to install the system software update, to avoid data loss they first need to back-up any data stored within the hard drive partition used by the “Other OS,” as they will not be able to access that data following the update.

Consumers and organizations that currently use the “Other OS” feature can choose not to upgrade their PS3 systems, although the following features will no longer be available:

Ability to sign in to PlayStation®Network and use network features that require signing in to PlayStation Network, such as online features of PS3 games and chat
Playback of PS3 software titles or Blu-ray Disc videos that require PS3 system software version 3.21 or later
Playback of copyright-protected videos that are stored on a media server (when DTCP-IP is enabled under Settings)
Use of new features and improvements that are available on PS3 system software 3.21 or later

If you have further questions please email us back.

Regards,
Dean R.
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[Wolfie708]

@Kondor1

I would love to see them. Ok to PM you with my E-Mail details?

EDIT No need, you just posted them lol

[OoZic]

To bad i don't live near a Sony Service center. I need a new car engine. And as every car on their parking center is not in use I can take one legally from a car owned by a Sony staff member. It is normal to take/remove something that is not in use, isn't it Sony? As long as I am assuming it, it is ok you say.

[JJCool09]

@mafiaboy300

I hope GEOHOT kicks your asses in court and he tells the real reason why the PS3 was hacked in the 1st place.... You took OtherOS away from people then blackmailed us with the (if you dont remove it you cant use PSN)

Not saying Sony is right here, because honestly I beleive this whole this is out on control on both Hackers and Sony, but GeoHot was working on a hack and actually got on finished long before the OtherOS option was removed. More likely, Sony removed it because Geohot ran off bragging about it.

Hope you loose loads of money on your games and that everyone hacks there ps3s

And this is exactly the thinking that got Sony to go after hackers in the first place. If it wasnt for the pirating and hacking of multiplayer, you think Sony, MS, or Nintendo would care? They would be selling their consoles still and making money off the games sales. Sony has talking it to the extreme but Xbox has banned more people the PS3 has so you think this is isolated? Not at all.

I agree the removal of OtherOS was BS. But 90% of people using that as an excuse to pirate games never even used the feature. And now the reports of hackers unbanning themselves and able to ban others? Really how does that help Geohot's case with the ability for people to possible ban others for no reason? I am all for CFW and I use it. I like my NES emulator to play all the old school games I use to have but never beat. Same with SNES. But trying to justify pirating is pathetic and one of the main factors we are where we are at today. And in reality, the acutal paying consumer hurt more from it. Which im sure is how it will be if the banning of other is legit.

[Whisker]

Thank you for writing us back. Unfortunately, the last answer that your received from us was completely accurate.

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People employed by Sony fail with grammar at times as well it seems, even though that's not saying much lets not tease the person who posted the news about his grammar eh?

Oh and I don't see how they can get away with this since basically what they're saying is "we had no idea that our customers would want to keep all the features that were promised with the system upon purchase, and our TOS for PSN gives us the right to break the law and remove those promised features if you want to continue playing newer releases and use PSN/PSN store on your system". What a load of bullcrap...

[ps3hacker12]

Action against Sony for blocking Linux on the PS3 broadly dismissed

The US District Court for Northern California has broadly rejected a class action launched in response to the removal of the 'Other OS' (Linux) option from the Playstation 3. As Groklaw reports, the judge agreed with arguments advanced by Sony's lawyers that hardware acquired by a user need only support console functions during the one year guarantee period. Sony explicitly excludes software functions and Playstation Network services from this guarantee period and reserves the right to amend their functionality at any time. According to the judge, the user acquires usage rights for the software only. The judge thus rejected the complaint that Sony Computer Entertainment America had breached the Consumer Legal Remedies Act and Civil Code §1770.

By removing the 'Other OS' option, Sony may, however, have breached the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act (CFAA) which makes unauthorised changes to computer systems a criminal offence. Sony's lawyers had argued that no-one was forced to install firmware version 3.21. The plaintiffs disagreed, stating that the update forces users to forego either the 'Other OS' option or the PSN services responsible for the majority of console functions, including instant messaging, online parties, access to patches and additional functions. The plaintiffs now have 20 days to launch an appeal.

George Hotz, the subject of legal action by Sony for alleged infringement of the very same CFAA, has appealed for further donations to allow him to pay for better lawyers. So far he has instructed two lawyers whose costs to date come to $10,000. Hotz reports that this amount has been covered in a first round of donations. He now plans to instruct three more lawyers to place him on an equal footing with Sony's legal team.

Hackers are currently equipping themselves with new tools to get around their banishment from the Playstation Network. PC-based software by the name of Charles, which acts as a proxy server between the console and the Playstation Network and allows users to switch ID numbers for PSN accounts and console hardware, is currently circulating online. The ID numbers are apparently sent to the PSN in unencrypted form. Banished hackers have already succeeded in logging back into the PSN and carrying out further infringements using fake IDs – this could lead to the exclusion of innocent players. Use of this kind of proxy software is an even more thorny issue, as it could potentially allow the theft and sale of account and credit card numbers. To prevent such abuses, Sony Computer Entertainment would be well advised to improve the future encryption of data traffic between PS3 consoles and the PSN.

http://www.h-online.com/open/news/it...d-1194982.html

hope sony fails at this case just like they failed with the safety of their console!!