[Persian McLovin]

To my knowledge I don't think that Japanese PS3s could ever play PS2 games strictly without the emotion engine chip, is this correct?

If so (due to my research showing that they have always had the Emotoion Engine PS2 CPU chip included since launch until its discontiuation in 2008, they then moved to no PS2 emulation at all starting with the 40gb model), then I find it weird that on one of my PS3s (PAL 60gb PS3 without the Emotion Engine chip) I can play Japanese-only games (via Cobra) FLAWLESSLY. Initial D Special Stage for example uses cartoon/comic book-style cutscenes that I thought would cause problems for the emulator and also the game natively runs at 60fps and looks a next-level down version of Gran Turismo 3 (still looks good) and I have been playing for 3 hours now with ZERO glitches, slowdown, freezes etc. I mean I expected at least something to go wrong since it worked fine on my 60gb NTSC PS3, but when running them side-by-side there is no difference whatsoever.

My question/general curiosity is, how on earth could a game like this run on software emulation that was designed to run on region-locked PAL and NTSC-U PS3s PERFECTLY yet games like Tekken Tag Tournament run at an abysmal sub-20fps when attempted to be played on PS3's without the Emotion Engine?

Peace.

[iwasaperson]

Your CECHC still has the PS2 GPU. You can play without cobra if you wanted.

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[Persian McLovin]

Originally Posted by iwasaperson Your CECHC still has the PS2 GPU. You can play without cobra if you wanted. Sent from my SCH-I510 using Tapatalk

Wow...did you actually read my post? Like, really read it? Of course I know my CECHC has the Graphic Synthesizer GPU! Look how technical my whole post was, I know what I am talking about! Jeez some users on this site...

What I am saying is that CECHC's and all the other similar models in the NTSC-U region use semi-software emulation as opposed to full hardware emulation that the previous models had (lack of Emotion Engine CPU). My question to those who have more technical knowledge than me regarding the PS3's PS2 backward compatibility is that the semi-emulated PS2 backwards compatibility was never released in Japan so why do a bunch of Japan-only games work fine on consoles that are a) outside of Japan and b) play 100% brilliantly on them. I'm talking intros, menus, cutscenes, framerate, animations, glitches, freezes...NOTHING. Yet a bunch of popular games released in other regions such as PAL and NTSC-U have awful emulation such as Tekken Tag Tournament which is a launch game!

Also I have just played Sega Rally Championship 1995 which is a port of the Saturn/arcade game of the same name and came as a PS2 release alongside a Limited Editon version of Sega Rally 2006 again released only in Japan. It plays PERFECTLY, even in 480p mode which I again thought would cause problems but as above for Initial D Special Stage, there's nothing wrong with this game.

I just cannot figure this out and hope someone in the know has some answers for my findings.

Peace.

[gliitch]

MCLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVIN ^^ WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

[pereb27]

PS3 with semi-software PS2 emulation were released in Japan (CECHE 80gb model).
Also the region doesn't have anything to do with whether the game will work on semi-software emulation or not. The compatibility is the same as PAL and NTSC-U PS2 games.

[Persian McLovin]

Originally Posted by gliitch MCLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVIN ^^ WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

LOL you the man.

Originally Posted by pereb27 PS3 with semi-software PS2 emulation were released in Japan (CECHE 80gb model). Also the region doesn't have anything to do with whether the game will work on semi-software emulation or not. The compatibility is the same as PAL and NTSC-U PS2 games.

A) the CECHE model was never released in Japan otherwise there would be a "CECHE00" model and there isn't, do some research as this is false.

B) I don't think some of you are truly understanding what I am saying. Not all games work via software emulation because some have been enabled and some haven't within the PS3s PS2 emulator on a profile-like basis. Without a profile issued by Sony, they cannot be played hence why I am curious as to how there are Japanese-only games that can be played and be played flawlessly which are no use to a software-emulated Japanese PS3 because it does not even exist! This has only come to light thanks to removing region restrictions via Cobra. This works on my CECHA01 PS3 but that is expected as it has full hardware emulation just like its 60gb Japanese counterpart (CECHA00)...but it is strange that it works on software-emulated ones for no reason as without a Cobra playing Initial D Special Stage or Sega Rally Championship 1995 is useless on the software emulator without a Cobra device...why Sony, why?

[pereb27]

Originally Posted by Persian McLovin LOL you the man. A) the CECHE model was never released in Japan otherwise there would be a "CECHE00" model and there isn't, do some research as this is false. B) I don't think some of you are truly understanding what I am saying. Not all games work via software emulation because some have been enabled and some haven't within the PS3s PS2 emulator on a profile-like basis. Without a profile issued by Sony, they cannot be played hence why I am curious as to how there are Japanese-only games that can be played and be played flawlessly which are no use to a software-emulated Japanese PS3 because it does not even exist! This has only come to light thanks to removing region restrictions via Cobra. This works on my CECHA01 PS3 but that is expected as it has full hardware emulation just like its 60gb Japanese counterpart (CECHA00)...but it is strange that it works on software-emulated ones for no reason as without a Cobra playing Initial D Special Stage or Sega Rally Championship 1995 is useless on the software emulator without a Cobra device...why Sony, why?

Sony doesn't use profiles. They're way too lazy for that. If they used profiles, there would be MUCH less issues with PS2 games on SW-BC PS3's.
A profile isn't necessary for a game to run when emulated. It only helps it run better when emulated. Without a profile, the emulator will just use the default emulation settings or however you want to call it.

As for the japanese CECHE model not existing, seems you're right, haven't been able to find it at all.

[Persian McLovin]

Originally Posted by pereb27 Sony doesn't use profiles. They're way too lazy for that. If they used profiles, there would be MUCH less issues with PS2 games on SW-BC PS3's. A profile isn't necessary for a game to run when emulated. It only helps it run better when emulated. Without a profile, the emulator will just use the default emulation settings or however you want to call it. As for the japanese CECHE model not existing, seems you're right, haven't been able to find it at all.

Hmmm seems Sony are lazier and weirder than I thought. If they put half the effort into making games that would never need to be run strictly on software-emulated BC consoles as they did on the games that needed them, then the software-emulated BC consoles could've had much better performing titles...this is Sony, however.

[pereb27]

Originally Posted by Persian McLovin Hmmm seems Sony are lazier and weirder than I thought. If they put half the effort into making games that would never need to be run strictly on software-emulated BC consoles as they did on the games that needed them, then the software-emulated BC consoles could've had much better performing titles...this is Sony, however.

Yep... I dislike Sony as a company, even though I like their hardware (well, the PS3 that is). Anyway pretty much all companies treat their customers like crap to some extent, not only Sony, but they do it in different ways lol.
I went through the hassle of getting an US 60gb imported here (Spain) so that I could enjoy HW BC (gotta say it looks much better with the PS3 upscaling/smoothing than my PS2 on my HDTV). I wouldn't recommend getting a SW-BC console to anyone who cares about PS2 games.

[Persian McLovin]

Originally Posted by pereb27 Yep... I dislike Sony as a company, even though I like their hardware (well, the PS3 that is). Anyway pretty much all companies treat their customers like crap to some extent, not only Sony, but they do it in different ways lol. I went through the hassle of getting an US 60gb imported here (Spain) so that I could enjoy HW BC (gotta say it looks much better with the PS3 upscaling/smoothing than my PS2 on my HDTV). I wouldn't recommend getting a SW-BC console to anyone who cares about PS2 games.

Dude you think the same as me! I'm in the UK, it was annoying as hell to a) in 2009 to get a mint condition 60gb PAL...then I find out (not only by internet but by playing games like Tekken Tag Tournament at below 20fps!) that there's an even better, rarer and more expensive version of the 60gb PS3. Took me months but finally a mint conditioned one popped up and I got it for an amazingly good price.

Gamers like us shouldn't need to have to do all this, it should be there on any PS3...although I do like the fact we have really rare and the greatest consoles in our country!

Agreed with everything you said though, take it easy man.

Peace.