[japsander]

Originally Posted by ElSalvatore Ah, yeah, and forgetting what they died for/were killed for will make the affected ones very happy you think? Forgetting that someones father/mother/brother/sister/... died or were killed with having done nothing wrong would help you think? -sarcasm on And yeah, just forget all the brave veterans that also died in the war against a psychopath. Why not remove the veteran's day? Or all the days that remember those who died for democracy/human rights/freedom? Yeah - right - the best solution, don't you think? /sarcasm off

you replied to Travis258 (a spambot) that cloned my first post in this thread
funny how you reacted completely differently to it though O.o

[GregoryRasputin]

Originally Posted by KillerBug Ah, magical Ireland...where people have free healthcare and no one get migraines or persistent nausea...what a wonderful land!

I guess your health care really does suck, you cant even get the simplest of implants without botching it up, id dread to get an operation >.<

Originally Posted by KillerBug It is nice to hear that you at least support the right to choose...and if you choose to call it murder, then I will support your right to say that as well. Personally I would not call it murder, and I wouldn't call the dumbest woman a c*nt...but I support your right to free speech.

I may be an ass hole, but i think everyone should be entitled to chose what they do with their own lives, i personally don't like abortion, unless it is needed, ie the child will die/mother will die or cases of rape, but it is not my right to stop people or even preach at them.

Also this thread isn't about attacking each other >.<

Originally Posted by Peacem8ker I am actually surprised that on a none political website you try to bring hatred towards Israel

This may be a non political site, but the subject was brought up about the hollocaust, i was merely stating how it was ironic, that Israel, who happens to be a Zionist Jewish nation, is doing similar things to what Hitler did to the Jewish people.

Originally Posted by Peacem8ker (I wonder why u didn't refer to the killings that happens to protesters in Iran or Syria for example).

Protesting is slightly different, that is when a nation murders their own people and not others, regardless, all types of murder, no matter who it is done by.

Originally Posted by Peacem8ker Facts: *at the Holocost , the "main plane" of the Natzis was to KILL jews, therefore, thousands of Jews were isolated and murdered on A DAILY basis at the extermination camps.

You know it must be dejavu, but what you just said, is what the Israeli's are doing to the Palestinian.

Originally Posted by Peacem8ker In Gaza - more citisens are being killed by car accidents/murders and illments than the endless war that is going over for the past 60 years.

You want to talk about facts, the land that is now Israel and Palestine, used to be ALL Palestine, before the British helped the Jewish minority take control

Originally Posted by Peacem8ker If Israel's "main target" was to KILL palestinians - she could have wiped out Gaza in less than 24 hours, obviously this hasn't happened for the past 60 years (I wonder if It was the same if Putin would have been the prime minister of Israel).

Not sure what Putin has to do with me, im not Russian....
Oh and slowly Israel has been trying to wipe Palestine from the world.

Originally Posted by Peacem8ker I really don't think that a mod in your position should use this channel for causing hatred towards Israel, and I really think that you should visit both countries before making such a horrid analogy towards Israel.

And why don't you do the same......

[stuck?]

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin Don't be silly, not having vaginal sex is a sure way of not getting pregnant, it is the best birth control Men should also me more mature and wear condoms, even if its just to keep them from getting japsanderitis.

Just gonna throw this out there....I am an accidental birth. My mother was on the pill, and then out came Chris 9 months later. SURPRISE!!!! I could have been aborted, but I guess they chose to have me. Yahoo... I guess?

And.. again on this note... I've had several, SEVERAL broken condoms with both girls I've been with. And loads were achieved.. But no pregnancy. I might have just smoked myself sterile, or, maybe I'm just incredibly lucky. I do have a lot of really dumb luck.

Originally Posted by Warning This thread should be locked. There will be nothing gained from debating a subject like this.

Agreed, that nothing will likely be gained from debating this subject, HOWEVER:

I will disagree with it about being locked just because things like these are kept from being spoken about because we've all been learned that subjects like these are taboo.

I'm glad that we can talk freely about these subjects and see people's different views. You can gain a bit of insight into a person's character.

Originally Posted by KillerBug As for murder, that is really hard to define amongst all people. I would agree that it was murder if the child could survive without the mother...even if it was in a machine...but even 3 months after abortion becomes illegal, the fetus still can't survive outside the womb. /choppa /choppa

I do see both sides of it myself. It IS murder. Although, like you said, that "child" or "fetus" or even "cell" has no idea of who or what they are. The tiniest amount of consciousness that can't even be understood.

If I were aborted 3 months into my mother's pregnancy, I wouldn't have had any idea. I wouldn't care (because I am not conscious of anything). This is something growing inside of another human being. Physically attached to them. Who is somebody else to say that you can't do something to your body?

There is a certain time, where the fetus has matured a lot more, that I will go against pro abortion. But in instances of Rape i am totally against it. It wasn't the choice of the woman (or a man, yes, women can rape men, and rape can happen in a real relationship) to conceive a child unwillingly.

However, if you're just joe stupid and not taking any precautions to protect yourself and your partner from a potential pregnancy, be ready to deal with something in the event something does happen. I won't say that you/they would deserve it. That's not the right choice of words at all. Although you have to think of the cell/fetus/kid too. What will their life be like after-birth? Are they going to be born into poverty? Can you even take care of a child? Maybe you can't even take care of yourself? (sorry I keep throwing first and third person examples in there).


I... am a bastard and an accident. And I am proud of it lol.

[japsander]

Originally Posted by stuck? I... am a bastard and an accident. And I am proud of it lol.

im right there with ya :D
the only reason my Cu*t of a mother didnt abort was that she got more benefits and housing while pregnant and promptly shipped me to social services before i was 2.

im glad she didnt choose to go through with it because its given me a chance to make her wish she had

[ElSalvatore]

Originally Posted by japsander you replied to Travis258 (a spambot) that cloned my first post in this thread funny how you reacted completely differently to it though O.o

It was not totally different. It was just something I still wanted to say but couldn't (I wasn't at home/in a hurry - so I hadn't much time to think of)

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Originally Posted by japsander im glad she didnt choose to go through with it because its given me a chance to make her wish she had

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Originally Posted by stuck? I... am a bastard and an accident. And I am proud of it lol.

We're happy to have the both of you here, though...


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Originally Posted by stuck? I do see both sides of it myself. It IS murder. Although, like you said, that "child" or "fetus" or even "cell" has no idea of who or what they are. The tiniest amount of consciousness that can't even be understood.

If you mean (my understanding in English has its limitations :D) that as soon as there is a cell/fetus/child/whatever, there IS life growing, then I'm fully behind it! And thus in MY OPINION (and as a few before already said: I'm not forcing anybody to believe or think what I do) abortion is to equate with murder...

If you didn't mean it, then I don't have the same oppinion. xD

[Peacem8ker]

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin 1.This may be a non political site, but the subject was brought up about the hollocaust, i was merely stating how it was ironic, that Israel, who happens to be a Zionist Jewish nation, is doing similar things to what Hitler did to the Jewish people. 2.Protesting is slightly different, that is when a nation murders their own people and not others, regardless, all types of murder, no matter who it is done by. 3.You know it must be dejavu, but what you just said, is what the Israeli's are doing to the Palestinian. 4.You want to talk about facts, the land that is now Israel and Palestine, used to be ALL Palestine, before the British helped the Jewish minority take control 5.Not sure what Putin has to do with me, im not Russian.... Oh and slowly Israel has been trying to wipe Palestine from the world. 6.And why don't you do the same......

talk to met statistically...I don't see where do you come up with that analogy.

1. fact: At the Holocaust, Jewish population was dramatically DECREASING.
In Gaza, this probably might surprise you, but the population is still INCREASING (and that without even dirtying my hands on why each milition/country has acted the way it did).

2. But I still havn't seen you condemning such acts openly on other channels (twitter for example).

3. read my first comment, talk to me statistically cause I don't see any deja vu here. what I do see is an endless war...not a mass killing!

4.Talking about the past wouldn't contribute to the current situation among the 2 parties...each one has it's own "belief" why the land is rightfully should be their. if this perception continues, both parties can keep wasting their energies for another endless battle.

5. read my first comment again.

6. maybe I did and this is why I don't spread any hatred towards each country.
but since you are drained to this hatred, I want you to do a small "statistical research" and let me know how many Arabs lived in Israel 10 years ago and how many of them live today(a hint, the population also has been significantly increasing). also, can you make the same statistic about the Jewish/Israeli population in Gaza?
obviously I don't see how this analogy refers to the holocaust, but maybe, statistically, you can learn something new.

[Jack_Bauer_the_frog]

It's not about being anti- or pro-abortion, that's a very poor choice of words. In my own personal life, I hope I'll never have to face this kind of situation/conversation with my girlfriend, wife, daughter or anyone else...
It's about letting women decide what they want to do with their own body. It's about giving them the choice. Because a pregnancy isn't just the coming of new unborn life, it also means very big changes brought to the mother's body and life, way bigger than to the father's, even if he's a stand-up guy and doesn't just vanish away when he hears the news.
There are countless ways for a woman to get pregnant without wanting to: broken condoms, forgotten pills, malfunctioning implants, rapes, ignorance, illiteracy, the absence of any sexual education at school or at home or not enough money to get contraception (that's still the case in many countries!!). So I can't see how an abortion can be called murder. It is indeed a very serious decision that cannot be taken lightly and has to abide by very strict laws, but in the end the pregnant woman/girl should always have the last word on it. She and not some ****ing priest/minister/rabbi/imam who believes his own perception of morality is the only one worth a penny. My opinion.

[stuck?]

Originally Posted by japsander im right there with ya :D the only reason my Cu*t of a mother didnt abort was that she got more benefits and housing while pregnant and promptly shipped me to social services before i was 2.

That is rather unfortunate, but I'm glad that you were able to rise up and <insert some good descriptive words here> make something of/for yourself!

I think there's a lot of families like that Although, it gives people the adversity to stand up to and that's what some people need. Not saying that you do or don't. Just one of the many perceptions I have.

I was lucky to be born into a good family.. not exactly horribly wealthy, but pretty well off.. Dad never wanted kids, but mom did. You could really tell who did and didn't heheh. But that's something I always think about...

Why, did I get such a good life, while there's countless others out there who don't have things, and meanwhile I keep getting things that I don't really need?

Like example... I won 50,000$ on a lottery ticket. I surely didn't NEED the money. It was completely awesome that I won, but there's so many other people out there who would have been better off with it.

Why was I blessed with such a good life? What makes me so special over everybody else? Should I feel like this? Should I always be asking this? I just get caught up on the likes a lot.. Sorry went totally off topic.

Originally Posted by japsander im glad she didn't choose to go through with it because its given me a chance to make her wish she had

I don't know if I fully understand, but my thought from your comment comes out to the following: I really enjoy proving people wrong. If somebody is pig headed on a certain point or subject that I know is wrong and that I can prove that is..I like being that person!

I'm glad I wasn't aborted either. I wouldn't be who I am now. I wouldn't have seen what I have. Maybe I'd even be on a completely different planet or world? You don't know for sure.


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Originally Posted by ElSalvatore We're happy to have the both of you here, though...

I enjoy giving myself the title of self proclaimed accident/bastard. Any rate, thanks Glad to be around

*more importantly*

Originally Posted by ElSalvatore If you mean (my understanding in English has its limitations :D) that as soon as there is a cell/fetus/child/whatever, there IS life growing, then I'm fully behind it! And thus in MY OPINION (and as a few before already said: I'm not forcing anybody to believe or think what I do) abortion is to equate with murder... If you didn't mean it, then I don't have the same oppinion. xD

I'm not actually sure what i meant, but I don't disagree with that either. A cell/fetus/child are all living things, however so are plants, insects, you and me, virus's and bacteria. So, if we look at it as murder, than destroying plants, insects, virus' and bacteria is also murder too.

I don't know how to retort this.. :P (maybe retort isnt the word. so, reply/add to it)

[alienkid]

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin "Human's - The Ass Holes Of The World"

The sooner we come to this conclusion, the better off WE ALL will be

[Warning]

Originally Posted by stuck? I will disagree with it about being locked just because things like these are kept from being spoken about because we've all been learned that subjects like these are taboo. I'm glad that we can talk freely about these subjects and see people's different views. You can gain a bit of insight into a person's character.

Just suprised no one has been band yet .
It has gone better then I thought.

Anyway Israel is the enemy of the world.