[psyki]

@Cheesethief are you serious!
one question did u ever use a phenom!
dont want to get into a little amd intel fanboy fight right now

[Cheesethief]

Originally Posted by psyki @Cheesethief are you serious! one question did u ever use a phenom! dont want to get into a little amd intel fanboy fight right now

No, I just looked at all the benchmarks and reviews before making a purchase. I consistently saw people complaining how the FX just did not deliver. I looked at various benchmarks as well. I am not a fan of either Intel nor AMD, just of performance. I also do not like it that AMD is blatantly hiding the amount of physical cores their processors have.

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[RafaSimpsons]

Originally Posted by Ubefuct Wow, really who are you to say what problems I've had? Fyi, an older computer that is still in use has an ati card in it and it requires registry hacks for new drivers. Along side many other BS problems but hey according to you they are non existent. Perhaps someone should tell the computer that...

You're misleading who reads this. You have an old computer with an old ati card, of course it will bring some trouble. Hey, you shouldn't have updated the drivers. Sometime it's useless to update drivers, it only brings problems. If I was a person who doesn't knows a **** about this, I would think. Oh, I'm going for Nvidia then. But we go back to the same situation. If you have an old computer with a Nvidia card, the same will occurr. That's you fault, not ATI fault. They won't make drivers compatible with the same card forever. They must make the drivers to the current cards that they are making.

[TizzyT]

A deci-core O.o, well the only ones I can think of that you would probably be able to get you hands on are the intel engineering samples on ebay. I do not know of any AMD deci-core CPUs that you would be able to get your hands on. Oct-core woud be easier as there are both engineering samples from both intel and the already available bulldozer from amd that you can get. keep in mind that the intel cpus iirc are hyper threaded so each core can process in a sense 2 threads and the os will detect it as a 20 core or a 16 core cpu. Also motherboards aren't out for the engineering samples so finding them is up to you if you choose to go that route. I do not recommend buying engineering samples of anything as I have never done so myself and I hear its a hit or miss whether you find a working one or not.

Originally Posted by hellsing9 32gb of ram?? what you are planning to do with the rig Mckdanny xD

Exactly my question as well lol. 32 GB is an insane amount for a computer for any home use. There are plenty of people on the forums that have high end systems and it seems Mackdanny is trying to build something of a beyond high end, something I call enthusiast level lol.

Originally Posted by RafaSimpsons You're misleading who reads this. You have an old computer with an old ati card, of course it will bring some trouble. Hey, you shouldn't have updated the drivers. Sometime it's useless to update drivers, it only brings problems. If I was a person who doesn't knows a **** about this, I would think. Oh, I'm going for Nvidia then. But we go back to the same situation. If you have an old computer with a Nvidia card, the same will occurr. That's you fault, not ATI fault. They won't make drivers compatible with the same card forever. They must make the drivers to the current cards that they are making.

Ati in the past from my builds has given more problems then they are worth driver related and not driver related lol. I have never though needed to do any reg hacks to get a gpu to work. Nvidia driver wise has always worked for me out of the box and only time crashes were present are when my computer was unstable from overclocking or if I was on Ubuntu. With that said both ATI and Nvidia to date have quiet stable drivers from my experience and listing a driver issue as a reason to stay away from either one shouldn't be valid anymore.

[hellsing9]

Pure RAW power, don't means = efficiency.
I have some build that i tought for you @Mackdanny but it's on my currency.

[Mackdanny]

Originally Posted by TizzyT A deci-core O.o, well the only ones I can think of that you would probably be able to get you hands on are the intel engineering samples on ebay. I do not know of any AMD deci-core CPUs that you would be able to get your hands on. Oct-core woud be easier as there are both engineering samples from both intel and the already available bulldozer from amd that you can get. keep in mind that the intel cpus iirc are hyper threaded so each core can process in a sense 2 threads and the os will detect it as a 20 core or a 16 core cpu. Also motherboards aren't out for the engineering samples so finding them is up to you if you choose to go that route. I do not recommend buying engineering samples of anything as I have never done so myself and I hear its a hit or miss whether you find a working one or not. Exactly my question as well lol. 32 GB is an insane amount for a computer for any home use. There are plenty of people on the forums that have high end systems and it seems Mackdanny is trying to build something of a beyond high end, something I call enthusiast level lol. Ati in the past from my builds has given more problems then they are worth driver related and not driver related lol. I have never though needed to do any reg hacks to get a gpu to work. Nvidia driver wise has always worked for me out of the box and only time crashes were present are when my computer was unstable from overclocking or if I was on Ubuntu. With that said both ATI and Nvidia to date have quiet stable drivers from my experience and listing a driver issue as a reason to stay away from either one shouldn't be valid anymore.

Octo it is then, how's that AMD bulldozer?

[TizzyT]

Originally Posted by Mackdanny Octo it is then, how's that AMD bulldozer?

It performs well for the price but couldn't tell you first hand since I don't have one my self. It's performance though left many disappointing compared to what AMD had originally hyped but its still a good performer, also keep in mind that performance wise it loses to the Intel competition but wins in the price to performance apparently. If you are planning on building a high end computer I would wait for the deci-core ivy-bridge or get a hex-core version since they will surely outperform the bulldozer, you can also wait for bulldozer's successor.

[Ubefuct]

Originally Posted by RafaSimpsons You're misleading who reads this. You have an old computer with an old ati card, of course it will bring some trouble. Hey, you shouldn't have updated the drivers. Sometime it's useless to update drivers, it only brings problems. If I was a person who doesn't knows a **** about this, I would think. Oh, I'm going for Nvidia then. But we go back to the same situation. If you have an old computer with a Nvidia card, the same will occurr. That's you fault, not ATI fault. They won't make drivers compatible with the same card forever. They must make the drivers to the current cards that they are making.

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Nice of you to sum up driver issues as "an old computer".. First off, I've been building and testing various different pc's for the last 15 years. I've had driver issues with three different ati cards over the years. The "old computer" received that card new when it was still second to the top of the line, as I buy the next to top for the price drop. Issues have plauged that 2600hd since it's purchase. As for nvidia giving problems in an old computer, that is BS. Who is trying to miss lead now, I have two old PC's with nvidia cards with no issues. Further more have NEVER had ANY issues with their cards/ drivers. (Reason I recommended them)

Ati has been known for there **** drivers. For another example, doing a upgrade to another card you first must uninstall the old ati drivers. Unless your not that old you'll know where I'm going with this... if not, there uninstaller would remove your Gart driver (yes agp). Could have ati gotten their $hit together? Sure, but since they have burned me with issues I refuse to buy them.

Another example, they started to require .NET for their catalyst drivers. Would have been great if they put it on the installation CD. Further more what really set me off was I had no internet at the time.

They might be old computers now, but the issues happened while it was new. Not just new to me, tech wise. Now before you claim I'm "miss leading" I'm talking about issues that I've come across in MY PAST. Not all hardware reacts the same to each other. Claiming there is no issues with a product, then calling someone a liar when they emerge would classify you as an ignoramus.

As I've stated above, it is possible they have gotten their act together. Would I waste my money again to find out..... hell no
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[Mackdanny]

So maybe I should buy the mobo+processor last? I just want a good octo processor, AMD preferred

[japsander]

i too have had more issues with ATI over nvidia

even on my AMD xfire motherboard, ATI had issues and i resorted to nvidia and not had an issue since.

also 3d is poorly supported on ATI cards compared to nvidia in case you fancied some 3d gaming.

some people seem to get very lucky and have nice systems with ATI but unfortunately, i never have.

i will try again next time i upgrade but im not holding my breath