[GregoryRasputin]

Im sure by now, most of you have read what marcan has said about the recent PS3 Hacks, now here is a... [Read More]

[hahahi123]

dejale caer to el peso

[devil hunter]

I had some respect to kakarotos, but I'm about to change my mind after reading his comments on the leaked keys, for example, he said "Another huge reason why the hacking scene has dried up is because of the piracy, not all hacking scenes are like this (think of the iPhone or Android hacking), but the PS3 (and generally Sony followers) scene is one of the worst in terms of self-entitled kids and piracy, and most of the hackers felt that it does not deserve their attention anymore"

There are lot of serious complains here, the community was ruined by one retard " Geohotz", in addition, drama is in all hacking scene, xbox, ps3 and wii, basically everywhere, but, kakaroto is part of this stupid drama, I remember that they were rumors about leakage of his "Exploit" and he did cry all over the internet. Also, since when sony's fans are in the scene lol.On top of that, let's assume that the xbox community is full of adults and smart fellas, why for so many years, the xbox wasn't hacked and run unsigned code?! " I know that it was j-taged recently.

I'd rather say, the ps3 is just hard to hack that's why it took too long to hack it XD.

Regards.

[xflarex]

I see nothing wrong with his statement that the ps3 is too drama filled. I've rarely seen a scene(excluding getting started hacking scenes) be as *****y and whiny as ours. In the end though, creatures either die or evolve, and it seems we're still evolving(albeit a little slowly).

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[destroyersphere]

Originally Posted by devil hunter I'd rather say, the ps3 is just hard to hack that's why it took too long to hack it XD. Regards.

Yeah I second your comment. PS3 has definitely been the hardest console to hack. I feel that Sony taking away otherOS was the last straw that motivated hackers to finally crack the PS3 after wii and xbox had already been compromised for like a year prior.

The part that I don't really buy is when kakaroto says that no decent hacks were released in nearly two years because devs didn't want to support piracy they just wanted linux back.

There is no question that taking away linux was a dick move by Sony, especially since sony used it as a selling point when the ps3 made its debut but c'mon linux runs like sh*t on a ps3 regardless of what disto you install. I love linux but the Cell processor and the rest of the hardware in the ps3 is just not optimally configured to run as a desktop machine.

They spent all that time reverse engineering just to give their ps3 the functionality of a 10 year old desktop computer? No! They are hackers they wanted to be able to run anything! Inevitably this includes backup managers.

I respect kakarato's and fail overflow's opinions on piracy but in the end it is extremely lame and unfair to us loyal followers for them to say 'we've found keys and exploits but we're never going to release them because we don't support piracy'. I'm going to receive flack for this but I find it hard to believe that not a single dev has ever backed up a game they did not own.

Kakaroto should not have even brought up xbox cfw users. xbox jtaggers are the worst when it comes to piracy and online cheating.

I don't mean any disrespect in fact I envy their reverse engineering skills and I am thankful for what they released but these devs intentionally left us in the dark for 2 years! However, I fully support people like Rogero!

[rizzod]

tl;dr

All I know is that KaKaRoTo is being stupid about this, is it fair that I HAD to spend $$ on a DRM Dongle to play games again? No. Is it fair that those guys from BluDisc tried to stooge everyone. No. Is it fair that these Keys got leaked? Not for Sony at least No. But at the end of the day, it was either do that, or have more stooges try to grab cash out of our wallets. Is Piracy Wrong? Of course! That's why I'm glad I can say i have a financially steady job and am able to get games whenever I can. I can finally take Sleeping Dogs out of the wrapper (and the layer of dust that surrounds it) and am able to play it. In the end, that's all that matters.

[xcrawler]

blah blah...piracy is bad...we are chatty responsible hackers..and god forbid we are speaking this @ public cause of ego boost..we enlight!
imo they deserve a discovery documentary series

and i have no problem to pay 23982329111 $ for all those marvelous dlcs, expansions with 1 hour gameplay, special ultra hd director unique extended collector editions, 438923084328 fps/rpg titles
wonderful and original concepts in games, brilliant idiot proof follow the arrow gameplay, games with replay value 0, grinding is the game
all those wallpapers, icons..themes..ost..that costs just few euros...imagine some1 told me yeeeears ago u were getting those stuff for free as gift...nonsense
fak those times when u payed 10 times less price for 10 time better product....gaming (entertainment) industry was never better

[Wiggle]

Isin't Kakarotoks the same guy who yapped on how he got some homebrew enabled months ago but didn't even release it?

[baargle]

People will think I'm an idiot for saying this, but...

I sincerely believe the people in that interview, to varying degrees are pricks (edit prolly wrong choice of word, I don't think they're pricks as people\character but maybe in values). I'm a generally intellectual and intelligent person, understand the views from all directions but I believe that the views these particular people have are and neo-hacking view. I do not believe that it is the way "hackers" of old think.

I thoroughly take a disliking to their anti-piracy stance, in the old days piracy was a side effect of hacking but it was never taken into consideration as to whether a hack would be released. I tell a lie there actually, there was one person in 2006, "The Specialist" who worked out the weak chain in the Xbox DVD drive and then the Xbox 360 DVD drive. A sensible person took up the challenge very shortly after "C4E", his hack only enables piracy or backups as we law abiding citizens with imaginary kids who have a tendency to smash optical disks with hammers call it. C4E is a seen as a god, he never discusses piracy, he never refers to it in a legal sense, he doesn't converse with people who talk about it. Xbox-Hacker.net was a number one source for info on this kind of hack, piracy was NEVER allowed to be discussed, same for Xbox-Scene. If you talk about piracy in any way you will be shown the door - as it should be.

But that is definitely the first time this type of morally controlling hacker publicly appeared, who made decisions for other people. This is very wrong imo. My opinion doesn't matter, I'm not an important person of course but I think my view is one shared by many people who do know quite in-depth the past of hacking, the motto, the idea and so forth.

It's a shame the word "piracy" even has to be mentioned in a hacking interview\discussion with the actual hackers themselves. Piracy is the spoils of war, always was, and I thought it always would be.

The image of the hacker is slowly dying as a result of this and in place of a magical aura, we have a corporate shill in effect. This isn't how it's supposed to be.

It feels like Disney....Once they had magic, now it's run by Mister Moneybags and Co.

I can't emphasize enough the separation that hacking\piracy used to have, even if it directly enabled it. It seems many people have forgotten. A contradiction? Not at all, the contradiction is part of the rule, there is a separation of powers and those lines do not meet, it's part of the ethos of hacking...or was.

Anyway, there we go, that's life and all that...Final point, I take exception to the person in the interview referring to the young hacker after his 15 minutes of fame by releasing piracy enabling exploits. That is a sweeping statement, and just goes to show the real mentality of these stalwart old gits...Sounds like they grew up from those people themselves, found a moral standpoint. Life does that to you, sure. Then give up hacking and have kids then eh

Stand aside, let the new "irresponsible kids" re-light the fire of mystery, intrigue and freedom. I'm no anarchist just to clarify but this interview is just too much.

Don't quote and pull apart my comments and label me as some CFW craved lunatic I'm sure regulars will know that's not the case, I'm trying to convey a general feeling not specifics. If I'm wrong on the general feeling please feel free to tell me why, curious about people's views on this subject. No disrespect to the people themselves in the interview they've done a lot I'm sure and have much respect for them, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with the moral framework they have adopted.
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Originally Posted by Wiggle Isin't Kakarotoks the same guy who yapped on how he got some homebrew enabled months ago but didn't even release it?

He didn't release it because at the time it was missing the other half of the project that it needed to be functional. He managed to install packages on the 3.60+ firmware, the problem was he couldn't get the installed code to run. So it was basically useless, he asked for help from Math, as he had the knowledge to allow him to finish the project. Math refused and so nothing was released.

He's one of the good guys, relatively speaking.

[Cheesethief]

How long has it been since there was any significant development in the PS3 hacking scene? Almost 2 years now! It’s not because it became impossible, it’s simply because we have access to homebrew and Linux, so there is no need to hack it further (or release new hacks). It’s not a fight about “who will win”, it’s a simple matter of “are we happy about it”. Another huge reason why the hacking scene has dried up is because of the piracy, not all hacking scenes are like this (think of the iPhone or Android hacking), but the PS3 (and generally Sony followers) scene is one of the worst in terms of self-entitled kids and piracy, and most of the hackers felt that it does not deserve their attention anymore. Tired of the drama and the whining and the piracy, most of us have decided to retire.

I have an issue with this part of the interview. Hackers did achieve linux again on the PS3, but it was just the same as remaining on 3.15. There was no point whatsoever then to hack 3.41/3.55 with that logic. You could have your cake and eat it too on 3.15 if you were a hacker. No, the reason 3.41 and 3.55 were hacked was for homebrew on later firmwares with the goal of bringing back Linux to all future firmwares. Not to just bring it back once and then quit. If you do that, then why do it at all if you could have stuck with 3.15 and had virtually the same outcome?

Holding these keys back is akin to holding back Linux on all future firmwares (the original goal of getting Linux back).