[advocatusdiaboli]

Piracy was never a problem, sober pricing on the other hand... That is something they should look into.

Look at Adobe for example, you can have their entire CS for USD 30 a month or whatever that subscription is ...

Result?

No piracy, turnover skyrockets.

On the contrary I really do hope that pricing under the influence is A Thing Of The Past?

[lonewolf88]

I think most pirates are people who live in places where games/media and consoles etc are prohibitively expensive, or are people with low income trying there best to give their kids what they want, and the only way they can afford to is buy getting a used (hacked) system and copied games, victims of circumstance if you will.

What im saying is, someone who is a pirate will most likely never buy retail games so Sony, MS etc are not missing out on as many sales as they think.

This all just my own opion of course

[richardrpg]

Originally Posted by lonewolf88 I think most pirates are people who live in places where games/media and consoles etc are prohibitively expensive, or are people with low income trying there best to give their kids what they want, and the only way they can afford to is buy getting a used (hacked) system and copied games, victims of circumstance if you will. What im saying is, someone who is a pirate will most likely never buy retail games so Sony, MS etc are not missing out on as many sales as they think. This all just my own opion of course

Well said, now only if Sony etc Can actually understand a logical explanation of what piracy actually entails, I'm not holding my breath though.

[smf]

Originally Posted by ZOMBIEKILLAH Smart people who buy DVDs, music, games, rip there CDs/DVDs/Games , to convert them to there preferred extension ,to watch/play them how they want to in the comfort of there own home & take control of there paid content. This is how it is supposed to be = NO DRM.

It's how you want it, but you have no right to demand it.

Smart people hack their PS3 to remove cinavia and don't ***** on message boards about it.

[eiamhere69]

Every system brings a new generation, and with this I mean a new generation of talent. Whilst we will always have Veteran hacker in the background, new talent and ideas come to the fold constantly.

They can have very advanced techniques, but they WILL always be defeated. We may approach a day soon, when hackers withhold techniques from the masses, as has been experienced lately, to prevent the culture that seems to be growing through the online generation. ie. free everything on tap, just a keystroke away.

Piracy has always been, and always will be present, but it should not be in the state it has been. Whilst the corporations will have you believe that piracy prevents the sustainability of the market, which is clearly bull, allowed to continue on it's trajectory, it eventually co̶u̶l̶d̶ have. (I'm talking about the eventuality of even grandparents acquiring free everything)

There has to be balance, and the scale of the market has to cover this. ie. the many must cover the cost of the few. These advanced systems are mainly as advanced as they are to create advanced algorithms and systems to make so many hoops to jump through that is as difficult as possible. But as has been proven, the hackers will always prevail. We just may see less evidence of this in future.

[LoverboySimer]

better send a police officer with every console...
n if the police is Ladies, i swear i will never pirate....

[ZOMBIEKILLAH]

Originally Posted by smf It's how you want it, but you have no right to demand it. Smart people hack their PS3 to remove cinavia and don't ***** on message boards about it.

Who said that i am demanding anything ? On that note ,you like buying DISC based movies, games, music, that limits you from copying the media to multiple device you own & have to carry a book/suitcase of discs around. Then so enjoy your infected products. I will say it in simple words, you pay for it you own it. They will not buy the product back from you, nor are you paying a rental fee. Guess what ? We own it, that is the bottom line. We do what we want. Nobody will stop me/us who choose to do more with are media.

It is not how i want it, it is how 50% of the world wants it. I just have the balls to speak out against them & restrictions ,since i am one of many who make them rich ! To think about it ,i do have the right to speak my mind or even demand it as a customer who increases there revenue. If they want to sell me limited products that can do so much more? Then i say FU to the sellers of those products. I find myself a better product which does not cause grief to me as a customer, by silencing my audio of my movies, just because i want to watch my movies on a device that can hold all my media. I enjoy having my own type of NETFIX collection/movie covers .I am proud to purchase & own a product that allows me to stream my media with no interference. I paid for it ,so i will stream the crap out of them all day long in digital form ripped by yours truly.

So you want to obey & bow down to these scum?

They do not want you to copy to any device .
They want you to buy multiple copies.
They want to sell you another copy if you break the first.
They want to sell you services like NETFLIX & others alike, while you pay to watch movies at your finger tips. Which we can do this in are own home with the movies we buy!
They want to re sell you the same old products/games on a new console.
Blah ,Blah , Blah ..

It is ok, if you want to be one of the suckers in the bunch. Go ahead be my guest, they love people who do not speak out against them & stay silent while they rule over you like sheep. I am not one to keep my mouth shut , or stand there & not fight when i see someone wants to hurt me, or to follow people who try to control me & the world.

The last thing i will do is say "YES MASTER" to any controlling corporation. They who sell products that interrupt my entertainment ,will not fill there pockets with my money. When they clearly know they can sell a better product ,that is not infected & allow you to watch or play games the way you want to. As a veteran customer who has supported for them for decades, i have every right to speak my mind.

Nobody demanded nothing here or in my post. It is simple ,if there is something in a product that will interfere with your experience .Then buy the products that do not interfere with your digital experience. The sellers of products who gives you freedom, will be the ones who win in the future, not the products with spyware / firmware infection.

[stevorkz]

Sony sony sony. Will you ever learn?

Firstly, the more they show off with a possible "end to piracy", believe me...that just excites hackers. It excites them very very much because thats exactly what hackers want. A challenge.

Secondly, arent they bored of this game? Are they so naive as to think they can end piracy?

Bottom line and most important: As long as sony/microsoft/nintendo are selling consoles that we can buy and take home, free to open up and learn what we want from it, all their efforts will always be obscurity, not security. End of story.

[smf]

Originally Posted by ZOMBIEKILLAH Who said that i am demanding anything ?

You did "This is how it is supposed to be = NO DRM."

Originally Posted by ZOMBIEKILLAH Guess what ? We own it, that is the bottom line. We do what we want. Nobody will stop me/us who choose to do more with are media.

You can do what you want with it, snap it in half or use it as a drinks coaster and nobody will care. However you don't own the copyright on it, so there are some things you can't do. The DMCA/EUCD also makes it illegal to circumvent DRM.

Originally Posted by ZOMBIEKILLAH It is not how i want it, it is how 50% of the world wants it. I just have the balls to speak out against them & restrictions

I don't know why you'd expect them to make piracy easy for you. Some people will always pirate and never buy something, but some people will only pirate if it's easy. Their job is to make as many people buy it.

You might claim that you buy everything that you rip, but without DRM then they can't know that.

It's like paying for your house to be made secure, but in case you lock yourself out you leave a key under the doormat. You can't know that only honest people will use the key, making your house secure was pointless.

If you hack your PS3 then there are no restrictions. Just don't expect Sony to bask in your greatness, they'll carry on doing their job.

cinavia is now mandatory on bluray players, so I'd expect it to be included on the next xbox too.

Originally Posted by stevorkz As long as sony/microsoft/nintendo are selling consoles that we can buy and take home, free to open up and learn what we want from it, all their efforts will always be obscurity, not security. End of story.

No there is plenty of scope for them to secure their next consoles. Nintendo secured the DSi & 3DS quite well, DSi was open to a save game exploit that they fixed in later firmware revisions & 3DS mode has never been exploited. WiiU mode is not exploited yet.

The PS3 had security and some obscurity as a backup, which was useful for Sony as they made a mistake on the security. The mistake took a while to find because of the obscurity, so it did serve a purpose. The super slim is back to being secure again at the moment, so there is no reason that the PS4 can't be made secure if they have learnt from their mistakes.

I think it's safe to assume that the next xbox & PS4 processor isn't going to be as easy to run code on as the processor in your PC, even though it's made by AMD. There are plenty of examples across the Wii, PS3 & 360 for them to learn how much protection they need. The earlier a console is hacked, the more they learn before the next console comes out.

[BobbyBangin]

Rest assured, somebody will find a way to play pirated games and charge people for it. For me, this is just another reason to skip out on $ony this gen...which is odd because I'm not even interested in pirating games. Sure I've got some pirated but I've been spending more time playing games that I actually paid for. Those are the ones that are worth while.