[donglehater]

It matters not to me...............I will wait several years if need be to pick up a ps4 when the build is stable and at that time someone has found a way to circumvent the security and allow backups to work.

[General Plot]

I personally hope nobody ever does hack it. There's no point really, aside from the obvious (piracy). Since the architecture is basically that of a PC, there's no reason to break it. Homemade apps and such would be better developed on regular PC's. By nature, I'm a tinkerer, and I've followed the console hacking scene for a long time, and this time around, I just can't see the point. It's x86, if you want to code your own software, do it on a PC.

[stevorkz]

Originally Posted by General Plot I personally hope nobody ever does hack it. There's no point really, aside from the obvious (piracy). Since the architecture is basically that of a PC, there's no reason to break it. Homemade apps and such would be better developed on regular PC's. By nature, I'm a tinkerer, and I've followed the console hacking scene for a long time, and this time around, I just can't see the point. It's x86, if you want to code your own software, do it on a PC.

If you don't see the need for opening a console up that you paid hard earned cash for, just because it has a x86 architecture like most computers, then you dont have to. But in that case you definitely haven't realized what hacking devices is all about yet.

It has nothing to do with merely wanting to code our own software. It has to do with unlocking the full potential of an expensive piece of equipment that you paid for. There is also alot of moral ethics behind it as well.

We keep getting handed wonderful machines with such potential, except it gets sold to us locked down with a key and we are only able to do what people who dont own it, say we can.

EDIT: the original Xbox has x86 architecture and it was unlocked in all its glory and it was great. Hell if the original Xbox wasnt hacked we wouldnt have great apps such as XBMC which I still use today on my raspberry pi.

[Theeze]

Originally Posted by General Plot I personally hope nobody ever does hack it. There's no point really, aside from the obvious (piracy). Since the architecture is basically that of a PC, there's no reason to break it. Homemade apps and such would be better developed on regular PC's. By nature, I'm a tinkerer, and I've followed the console hacking scene for a long time, and this time around, I just can't see the point. It's x86, if you want to code your own software, do it on a PC.

If you're running PCSX2 or dolphin emulator on a ps4, it would make much more sense on a console with a comfortable and convenient surroundings (controller, couch, big tv)

Imagine xmbc on the ps4 which would be a much better solution to what we have now in showtime. Better plugin support, more features, more devs on board. If the PS4 ever gets busted wide open , the possibilities are near endless. If all you're thinking is straight out piracy then you aren't looking at the bigger picture.

I would say I have a top-end PC that i've built this summer, better than what the ps4 seems to offer in terms of power and performance. I would still enjoy things like xmbc and high end emulators that can easily be developed and enjoyed at the confort of your choosing instead of limiting factor on pc. I don't like having all my things in the same spot, the less clutter, the better.

[General Plot]

Originally Posted by stevorkz If you don't see the need for opening a console up that you paid hard earned cash for, just because it has a x86 architecture like most computers, then you dont have to. But in that case you definitely haven't realized what hacking devices is all about yet. It has nothing to do with merely wanting to code our own software. It has to do with unlocking the full potential of an expensive piece of equipment that you paid for. There is also alot of moral ethics behind it as well. We keep getting handed wonderful machines with such potential, except it gets sold to us locked down with a key and we are only able to do what people who dont own it, say we can. EDIT: the original Xbox has x86 architecture and it was unlocked in all its glory and it was great. Hell if the original Xbox wasnt hacked we wouldnt have great apps such as XBMC which I still use today on my raspberry pi.

Don't try to school me. I've been in the scene for longer than you might think and I more than understand the concept of homebrew and getting the most out of a piece of hardware, but what I also know is that when you look around communities (this one or others like it), the general consensus is people saying they "want homebrew" and "backups", when it doesn't take a genius to know they mean backup managers and help with using downloaded games. How many posts have you seen where someone asked for help with a torrent they downloaded and don't know how to unrar them or how to load them? I've seen about a million. And how many have asked for help with homebrew games, for example? Not many. They're few and far between. This is what the "homebrew scene" is today.

Again, I reiterate what I said before: I hope the PS4 never gets hacked. I'm tired of seeing warez kiddies with a million questions on how to use their stolen software.

[joe007]

wont the fact the ps4 is based on pc hardware mean it will be easier to crack?

[General Plot]

Originally Posted by joe007 wont the fact the ps4 is based on pc hardware mean it will be easier to crack?

Security is mainly implemented by the software. System architecture has almost nothing to do with how secure a system is. Aside from efuses and dedicated SPE's (which can be integrated just as well on an x86 chip), the strength of the security is down to how well the software has been written to protect itself.

[ViperMM]

Originally Posted by General Plot pointless whining as always

Plot, F*** you very much as always. The architecture has everything to do with reversal being easy. How many people avidly know PowerPC architecture versus good ole x86? And for those of you who do know x86 Tell Mr. Plot to nop 0x90. Also Plot the fact that you bring up the Piracy thing is silly. The fact of the matter remains the XboX was hacked because of homebrew and it was x86 making it both a great target and an excellent set top box, now it's time peoples set top boxes get a good upgrade.
Now back on track, this patent sounds an aweful lot like some sort of ping.....
Could this be why we need the option to emulate blu-ray drive speed on Ps3 debug firmwares? Sony may already have this implemented and ready to go if my assumptions are correct. And as always Plot go fall into some sort of hole or off a cliff or something.
PS: Also Plot the Ps4 is currently slated to have more ram than the PC setup in your signature. I also surmise it will be cheaper.

[GregoryRasputin]

Originally Posted by General Plot Again, I reiterate what I said before: I hope the PS4 never gets hacked. I'm tired of seeing warez kiddies with a million questions on how to use their stolen software.

The amount of people that use PCSX2, how many do you think use it with legit software VS those who use it with stolen software ?

Statistically speaking, most people who use Emulators do so with stolen software.

[ViperMM]

Originally Posted by GregoryRasputin The amount of people that use PCSX2, how many do you think use it with legit software VS those who use it with stolen software ? Statistically speaking, most people who use Emulators do so with stolen software.

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I'm sure Plot will come back with something like... we know some people pirate things on our emulator, however we have evidence Sony employees have used it.
Anyways, I think this new patent probably isn't all that new considering the way Sony works. I do think them filing a patent definately makes this new to John Q. Public and makes this good to discuss and be in our news. :P